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C0L_Wolfe
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Subject: Manga Sized RPG books.
Started on: September 17, 2008 - 11:24:21 PM
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Brooklyn Red Leg
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Subject: The problem is..............
Posted on: October 10, 2008 - 5:03:57 PM
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Unfortunately this seems to typify all too many Robotech of late. I just hope that HG and Kevin don't say Screw you complainers, and stop producing new material.
The first printing was riddled with errors. And I'm not talking typos and the like. I'm talking actual information that was out and out wrong. Of course, part of that problem rests squarely on the shoulders of Tommy and Steve. The Deluxe Edition had to correct a number of things, but didn't get everything apparently (like the fact that the lineart for the Condor says 8.1m for height instead of the 12m listed in the RPG).
Speaking of which, Tommy, could you kindly EXPLAIN why it is that the Sylphide is NOT a Veritech when its called as such 3 different times in the Tv series. Or the fact that it has a head mounted right underneath the fuselage? How about all the seams in the right places for transformation? Have you bothered to ask Hiroshi Ogawa, Hirotoshi Okura or Takashi Ono about the Sylphide (you DO remember that Southern Cross was cut short and that a number of designs never appeared because of it)?
I mean, HELL, its not like YOU can't RETCON things since you already did so with Shadow Chronicles (among other things). Its not like you could actually be asked to give a damn about the middle chapter and actually increase its visibility with a Sylphide that transforms (which it should anyway)....cause for damn sure people COMPLAIN that the middle chapter doesn't have a COOL Veritech like the Valkyrie or Alpha but has 'that retarded Logan that looks like it was designed to kill the pilot' or 'the stupid Space Helicopter'. | |
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Gabriel
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Subject: Reply to sek4385
Posted on: October 10, 2008 - 9:22:54 PM
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Before the books came out people whined about why HG couldn't come up with any new RPG's.
Yes. I whined about how crappy the original Robotech game was and hoped HG would license a future RPG to just about any other maker of RPGs.
Then the announce there will be new RPG's and everyone is extremely excited.
Not everyone. When I learned they had given the RPG rights to Palladiumbooks again, I was about as depressed as anyone can be to hear their favorite fictional property had been tossed in the toilet.
Then they announce it will be in Manga size, a few people complained but the majority said that this was an interesting idea and that it would differentiate them from the old books.
Actually, if you look at the polls, there was far from a majority who thought it was a good idea. And even Tommy says a couple of posts before yours that the reaction was far from acceptance but more like indifference when the question was asked.
Now the books are out and most complain that they never knew it would be small, that they feel ripped off, that HG and Kevin Simbieda screwed them.
I knew the new book would suck anyway, and it does. It isn't even based on Shadow Chronicles. It's more of a half assed New Generation RPG with some non-canon stuff tossed in and actual Shadow Chronicles material discarded.
Then they try to satisfy others by saying that they will be making standard size books, what happens most people complain.
Kevin Siembieda was double dipping. He kept on threatening that the Manga edition would be the only one, only to turn around and release the more desirable hardcover edition in a very short time.
Tommy says that Kevin Siembieda had authority of what was included and omitted from the RPG, and his motivation was a supplement stream. Why KS felt the need to leave out the Ikarus and Super Shadow Fighters while wasting time on medical cyclones, Silverbacks, and New Generation minutiae is really unbelievable when you consider how rich the supplement opportunities are for the line based off just the multiple generations of the story alone. The simplest and only reasonable explanation is KS knew things like the Super Shadow Fighter and Ikarus were new material which would motivate sales, so he reserved them for a future supplement otherwise full of reprints with stats multiplied by 1.5 or 2. | |
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Jeebers
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Subject: Gabriel
Posted on: October 11, 2008 - 2:10:12 AM
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You probably already know about it by now, but are you interested in a copy of my Robotech d20 RPG? The core books are cheap, because you can get them used from amazon.com, half.com, drivethrurpg.com easy. Maybe even new. So far everybody I've asked critiques has given a thumbs up. You can even contact me on yahoo messenger if you like(you'll find all the contact info on my profile).
I definitely want to improve it, that's why I'm even starting a new thread on Hardcore Robotechnology. Any suggestions you can give would be great. At the very least, this should get the taste of Palladium out of your gamer's palate. | |
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A WW2 101st Airborne received a letter from the IRS. He’d be thrown in jail if he didn’t pay. He stuffed an envelope with all the $ he had. "If the IRS promises to throw me in jail, then by God come and get me!" he wrote. Never heard from them again. | | | |
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Jeebers
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Subject: addendum
Posted on: October 11, 2008 - 2:21:29 AM
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That invitation is open to all of you, anyone who asks. I'm not in this for profit. I desperately want to find a publisher, so that I can patch up the areas that need more work, and do this project right with some decent artwork. Heck, I'd even be happy to use fan art from this very same website! Bet we could get it done with VERY little cost, and have a vastly superior rpg to play with to our heart's content. This isn't just me stroking my own ego here, this is the opinion of a lot of fanboys/girls out there that have already checked it out. I think I've lost count, but I know I'm well into 2 digits so far.
I had "a bad feeling about this" the instant I discovered Kevin Siembieda got his paws on Robotech again. Yet I hoped, and bought the manga size like everyone else. I haven't bought the deluxe because of the poor reviews online, but I've been tempted because I really am a Robotech fanboy at heart. I even bought both of the crappy Cyclones they put up, and now the Beagle stuff is coming out at 200 a pop!
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A WW2 101st Airborne received a letter from the IRS. He’d be thrown in jail if he didn’t pay. He stuffed an envelope with all the $ he had. "If the IRS promises to throw me in jail, then by God come and get me!" he wrote. Never heard from them again. | | | |
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justanotheruser
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Subject: I don't no why...
Posted on: October 11, 2008 - 1:15:41 PM
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I don't know why HG and Palladuim even trys to make you people happy, all I see on here is complaints. It's a game buy it or don't, but just quit complaining. Here and the Palladuim boards are full of complaints, if I was them, I'd say screw all of you and just cut the boards off and make the game I wanted. The market place will determine if it sales or not.  | |
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Jeebers
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Subject: the point is
Posted on: October 12, 2008 - 3:48:41 AM
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and it's a logical one... WE ARE THE MARKET PLACE! Where else will you find a concentration of RT fans like this who are EAGER to be a part of rpg design? Think about it, a ready-made marketplace! Trouble is, not a whit of listening was done by KS or PB, and we get the SC manga and "deluxe" SC (which only improves in doodads, but not the core system which in fact got worse). They even could have reused some of the older stuff so they wouldn't have to work so hard, like maps etc.
Most of us would dearly love to contribute material to any proposed rpg for free. Where else would a company get an offer like that? | |
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A WW2 101st Airborne received a letter from the IRS. He’d be thrown in jail if he didn’t pay. He stuffed an envelope with all the $ he had. "If the IRS promises to throw me in jail, then by God come and get me!" he wrote. Never heard from them again. | | | |
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justanotheruser
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Subject: RT.com is
Posted on: October 12, 2008 - 7:02:29 AM
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not the entire marketplace, it's a site for fanboys( and yes I'm one). I hadn't looked at this site in awhile when I picked up the new RPG. Also, not everyone likes the D20 system, some gamers have played that system since 2002 or so and the same old thing gets old. The market place become glutted with that system and now the market place has began to shift away from it. As for contributions not every fanboy's material makes the grade, I'm not saying that about you personally as I've not looked at your stuff. However most professional publishers use in house writers or know and published freelancers. | |
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Jeebers
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Subject: business
Posted on: October 13, 2008 - 6:15:23 PM
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You're right, this isn't the entire marketplace, but it does compose a large chunk of it. The odd thing is that if you please the fanboys, typically the rest of the marketplace goes ga ga for the product, because the fanboys are quite critical. We know the subject matter inside and out, and are so motivated that we're willing to do free work, like critiques, fan fiction & art, you name it... This means that while most of that work may not be publishable quality, it DOES grant you access to a large talent pool for free.
Making the fans happy is a feat, but if it's accomplished, a large profit is made so long as you don't price the product too far out of most consumer's pockets. | |
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A WW2 101st Airborne received a letter from the IRS. He’d be thrown in jail if he didn’t pay. He stuffed an envelope with all the $ he had. "If the IRS promises to throw me in jail, then by God come and get me!" he wrote. Never heard from them again. | | | |
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Tommy
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Subject: Hi BRL
Posted on: October 21, 2008 - 1:59:56 PM
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As far as the Sylphide goes, Jason Marker and I discussed its role in the series and the supporting original material; there's no evidence to support its transformation other than the dialog with the word "Veritech" which was simply used to bridge continuity from Macross to the Southern Cross. Because it has a relatively small presence in the series, I have little opinion about this matter, but speaking objectively from research, this looks like an error in the dialog script. Honestly, since there's also a line of dialog instructing the VF-1 squadrons to transform to "Veritech" mode, should we rewrite the VF-1 data to support FOUR modes of transformation? The original series is our primary source of continuity, but in the context of the production schedule for everyone involved back then, it should also be understood that it's a work of human beings under a deadline and that it's not infallible.
Now in terms of the game data for items like the Condor, if you have supporting material to make your case, by all means feel free to cross post on Palladium's boards to bring it to the attention of the staff there. Constructive feedback from everyone will help improve future releases. | |
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Brooklyn Red Leg
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Subject: ..............
Posted on: October 21, 2008 - 4:02:07 PM
Edited on: October 21, 2008 - 4:05:11 PM
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there's no evidence to support its transformation other than the dialog with the word "Veritech"
Then explain the head unit, with perpindicular seams both fore and aft of it, right where the Valkyrie and Alpha have theirs. It has 3 guns, the centerline one being blocked when in Fighter mode, meaning the head should look similar in a way to the VF-1R.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Southern%20Cross/PDVD_192.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Southern%20Cross/VF-7Sylphide10.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Southern%20Cross/VF-7Sylphide03-1.jpg
Explain the perpendicular seams right where the arms and legs could deploy. Arms form the bottom nacelles, legs the top (yes, I'm serious, as the top nacelles are noticably larger).
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Southern%20Cross/VF-7Sylphide23.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Southern%20Cross/VF-7Sylphide08.jpg
Explain the engine covers both above and below, that are separated so as to move independently. Again, the top covers forms the 'feet' while the bottoms are hand covers with blaster ports.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Southern%20Cross/VF-7Sylphide13.jpg
The transformation is quite radical, but easily understood when you think outside the box. The nose section separates and moves forward to facilitate transformation. The rear section does a 180 degree flip, bringing the legs and arms and head unit into position. The legs/arms telescope out from their housings (above and below) to form the elbow and knees, while the leg nacelle engine covers flip upwards while telescoping down, turning into the feet (the engines themselves form the heel). The wing spar vertical stabilizers fold down towards the body (instead of towards the wingtips) while the wings fold across the back and the rear vertical stabilizer housing folds back up and behind (otherwise, the stabilizer would be stick out the crotch of the mecha). The forehand shield/covers move slightly as the hands deploy, opening the four slots to deploy the hand blasters (thus eliminating the need for a carried gunpod).
There is also the fact that the Sylphide bears a striking resemblance to another planned Veritech, the VTOL from The Sentinels. IINM, that was another design of the Ammonite Team.
Because it has a relatively small presence in the series
WTH? Are you kidding me? Were we even watching the same show? Do you even KNOW what fighter it is I'm talking about?
Episodes featuring the Sylphide:
Southern Cross (Sylphides are used instead of Marie's Logan squadron)
Danger Zone (used predominantly in this episode)
Prelude to Battle
The Trap
Outsiders
Love Song
Final Nightmare
Catastrophe
Thats 1/3 of the entire series. I dont call that a relatively small amount of screen time.
I have little opinion about this matter, but speaking objectively from research, this looks like an error in the dialog script.
I'm going to ask one more time, have you bothered checking with Tatsunoko and the Ammonite designers? Southern Cross was a truncated series and there are serious gaps about what we know about the planned '2nd season' (eps. 24 - 36). I doubt you could not be put in touch via email with Hiroshi Ogawa, Hirotoshi Okura or Takashi Ono from someone at Tatsunoko. If Roger Harkavy can be emailing back and forth with Shinji Aramaki, I don't see how you cannot as someone high enough on the food chain at Harmony Gold.
Honestly, since there's also a line of dialog instructing the VF-1 squadrons to transform to "Veritech" mode, should we rewrite the VF-1 data to support FOUR modes of transformation?
Well, you sure as hell dropped the ball on detailing the 4th mode on the Alpha that is shown repeatedly throughout Mospeada.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Mospeada/VF-6AlphaVTOLMode15.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Mospeada/VF-6AlphaVTOLModeattachedBeta01.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Mospeada/VF-6AlphaVTOLModeattachedBeta02.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Mospeada/VF-6AlphaVTOLMode01.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Mospeada/VF-6AlphaVTOLMode02.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Mospeada/VF-6AlphaVTOLMode03.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Mospeada/VF-6AlphaVTOLMode04.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Mospeada/VF-6AlphaVTOLMode06.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Mospeada/VF-6AlphaVTOLMode07.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Mospeada/VF-6AlphaVTOLMode09.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Mospeada/VF-6AlphaVTOLMode10.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Mospeada/VF-6AlphaVTOLMode12.jpg
Now in terms of the game data for items like the Condor, if you have supporting material to make your case, by all means feel free to cross post on Palladium's boards to bring it to the attention of the staff there.
@#$%! I have REPEATEDLY posted the lineart of the Condor that states its height in Battloid as 8.1m, not 12m. I was told to take it to you and now you are telling me to take it back to them! Does the left hand even know what the right hand is doing?
Roger Harkavy emailed back and forth with Shinji Aramaki and the latter stated his belief that, in fact, the Condor DOES transform (which makes TONS of sense when you realise they made a what appears to be transformable DRONE version that even appears in The Invid Invasion).
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Mospeada/VA-5Condor02.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Lineart/VA-5CondorVQ-5CondorDrone01.jpg
If one can transform, then why the hell wouldnt the other one? The REF has gaping holes in its TO&E because it has NO Attack mecha that can carry munitions from Orbit to Ground. All mecha that are capable of carrying heavy ordnance until the introduction of the Chimera (Wolfe's Vulture from Eulogy and the Bat from The Secret Route) have to hang munitions on external hardpoints. They would not survive reentry. The bomb bay doors are IN THE GROIN! You can see them in the lineart.
And before you say anything like 'this is a show with giant robots', its all about Verisimilitude. Robotech fans deserve to be treated as being equals with Macross fans who tout the 'realism' aspect of their franchise. | |
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ShadowLogan
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Subject: Tommy, a few questions
Posted on: October 21, 2008 - 7:39:14 PM
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Condor
On the Condor issue, I think it is resonable that what we might be looking at is an early Alpha model in add-on armor similiar to the one Rick Hunter used for his VF-1 in "Miss Macross". The "Nose" and "feet" I think are prime canidates for jettisioning.
This would seem a good comprimise between the two view points of its status as a Veritech or just a nt-Battloid. This has really been my view of the "Condor" now for years.
Specter/Sylphid
The Sylphid gets far more screen time than the Veritech Logan. Here is pretty comprehensive visual history stats for the Logan with similiar information for the VHT and Sylphid in those episodes: 
As for weather it is/is not a Veritech. Personally I sort of see what BRL is saying, but I just can not picture it being a self contained transformation sequence. More like the Hargun from Megazone23/RT:TUS, which would require an external assist (granted that would work for any vehicle in RT).
I would point out though, that if variable configuration is all that is needed to be a Veritech then the Specter (name in the old RPG) does demonstrate different wing configurations pretty consistantly depending on the setting:
http://rdfhqcommunicationscenter.yuku.com/topic/2742/t/Wing-Design---Specter-Sylphid-AE---noticed-feature.html
The above link should contain working screenshots from the show. Could probably get you more if needed.
Revel Model Line
http://rdfhqcommunicationscenter.yuku.com/topic/2783/t/view--Orgus-cameo-mecha--appear--3-different-episodes--Ro.html
This topic at RDF-HQ message boards sort of raised an issue that stopped discussion. Does HG have the rights to use the non-Macross designs to have appeared in Revel's Robotech Model line from the 1980s?
If so, are there any plans to utilize the designs they used from Orguss and Dougram in Robotech now?
Untapped Mecha to appear in the show
http://rdfhqcommunicationscenter.yuku.com/topic/876/t/RDF-Power-Armor-in-quot-Broken-Heart-quot.html
Also brought up here at around the same time with similiar results. Screencaps of some new RDF mecha in the episode "Broken Heart":
-4 different "mini-destroids"
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Tommy
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Subject: Hi again, BRL
Posted on: October 22, 2008 - 6:20:45 PM
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If those episodes are all you could find of the Sylphide (including ones you may have missed), then you've confirmed that it's limited to a supporting role in the series, relatively speaking. It's obvious you like this mecha a lot and I'm in no position to argue how important it is to you, but it looks like a case of seeing what you want to see. Without hard evidence to point either way, what you're speculating about its transformability is just that ... completely speculative. There's nothing seen in the series or published in the production materials to support this.
Well, you sure as hell dropped the ball on detailing the 4th mode on the Alpha that is shown repeatedly throughout Mospeada.
Why stop with four? Why not pull screengrabs of more partial transformation images from the series and come up with more? The answer to that is straightforward: the series primarily defines the three modes by name, and yes, I'm aware of the oddball terms that occasionally crop up in dialog such as "Gladiator" and "Veritech" modes. The Mospeada and Alpha packaging designs dating back to the Gakken era also support the definition of the Legioss/Alpha as a "Triple Change" mecha and we're happy to stick with that.
Roger Harkavy emailed back and forth with Shinji Aramaki and the latter stated his belief that, in fact, the Condor DOES transform
In this case I have to agree that Roger made a compelling case about the Condor with the production materials that he acquired. I did get a chance to meet with Mr. Aramaki in the past year and discuss a bit of Mospeada back history. Unfortunately, as he had moved on to a lot of other projects since the 80's, he wasn't sure of where much of his production materials had gone. In fact, he hadn't seen some of the stuff that Roger had unearthed in many years. Ultimately, there was handwritten notation implying a transformation sequence, but no production design of these other modes. This is often the case for incidental items that turn up in supplemental model sheets of "guest" mecha and characters that only appear in one episode. However, I did get to illustrate a guardian mode that I suppose could be used in a future Palladium supplement. Unfortunately, the fighter mode was really, really unwieldly and seems to support my notion that the original designers never got this far.
As far as the issue of the heights, we'll be happy to look into the data to see if it might be some errata from previously published RPGs working its way in. In fact, I did call Mr. Siembieda today to ask if they were aware of your concerns. Now, I'll have to be blunt here: Kevin's response was that you seem to have a lot of passion and energy to offer, but your people skills appear to be getting in the way of working with others in a collaborative environment.
If you can back up your case on objective data with citations of original source material, we absolutely welcome the input. However, on more subjective details, you're going to have to accept that different people will have different points of view about the Robotech universe. | |
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Tommy
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Subject: Hi ShadowLogan
Posted on: October 22, 2008 - 6:46:19 PM
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Regarding the Sylphide's wingtips, I would agree with you that it's possible evidence of variable geometry ... except that the flap-like notches appear to remain on the back in both occasions. So without other visual evidence, it's still ambiguous whether another configuration was intended or if it was an animation error. (is there footage of them flipping around?)
We have no plans to bring back Revell's Robotech Defenders line.
If there's other mecha variants you can spot in the original television episodes, now is the time to bring them up as Palladium is looking at putting together adventure expansion volumes starting next year. (you might want to start a new thread for this) | |
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ShadowLogan
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Subject: Tommy.
Posted on: October 23, 2008 - 9:18:58 AM
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With the Sylphid Wings. I don't think there is a scene where the wings change shape in mid-flight, but the use of the position seems to be pretty consistant in how/where it is used and in numerous episodes. If this is an AE, its a pretty long running and consistant AE, which makes me think it isn't.
If one does not want to accept it as an AE and ignore it, we are left with:
-different models have different outboard wings (which has been known to change between models. Ex. F/A-18s C/D to E/F models)
-the wings can shape change in mid flight in a different manner than the F-14/F-111/B-1.
NASA cg animation for a shape changing aircraft:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR3T8mdpdTI
Seperate Article on morphing aircraft:
http://www.livescience.com/technology/061010_ap_plane_morph.html
Revell Line. But does HG have the rights to use the designs at all? Maybe not in the model line, but for use in the shows/comics/games. | |
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Brooklyn Red Leg
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Subject: ..............
Posted on: October 23, 2008 - 1:26:55 PM
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but it looks like a case of seeing what you want to see. Without hard evidence to point either way, what you're speculating about its transformability is just that ... completely speculative. There's nothing seen in the series or published in the production materials to support this.
I don't know why I bother as talking with you is a form of cognitive dissonance.
The Mospeada and Alpha packaging designs dating back to the Gakken era also support the definition of the Legioss/Alpha as a "Triple Change" mecha and we're happy to stick with that.
Then why does the artwork from the Mospeada Colour Grafitti SHOW 4 modes? Why are there numerous scenes SHOWING the VTOL configuration?
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m77/Brooklyn_Red_Leg/Lineart/AlphaVTOLMode.jpg
Unfortunately, the fighter mode was really, really unwieldly and seems to support my notion that the original designers never got this far.
Whatever.
Kevin's response was that you seem to have a lot of passion and energy to offer, but your people skills appear to be getting in the way of working with others in a collaborative environment.
Cause I'm tired of getting crapped on as a Southern Cross fan. Maybe if Harmony Gold in recent years were a tad more helpful instead of going out of its way to portray the middle chapter in a negative light (and believe me, I'm NOT the only one that feels this way) then perhaps the hostility wouldn't be there. As it is, I (and many others who are fans) have to take crap constantly from other fans and Harmony Gold has done NOTHING to help the situation.
If you can back up your case on objective data with citations of original source material, we absolutely welcome the input.
Believe me, if I had the resources to, I would have emailed the Ammonite designers already. As it is, I don't have the capacity to because I lack the contacts. | |
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Subject: Hi again, ShadowLogan
Posted on: October 23, 2008 - 3:39:53 PM
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Some interesting inventions are the result of mistakes. The production variant idea for the Sylphide (or Sylphid) is perfectly plausible. I'll forward that to the folks at Palladium to see if it can make it into the Masters sourcebook.
Because I couldn't hear any audio from the NASA/Langley clip, it was hard to clearly discern how the morphing was accomplished. If it was a flexible skeleton that was bending the shape of a soft outer skin, it might be usable for a UAV or civilian craft, but not quite hardy enough for a military vehicle where you'd want the pilot back ... and I'm speculating without the application of the wonders of Robotechnology here.
I'll look into the Revell line, but from my own recollection the licensing only encompassed model kits and comics, and there's no new plans for those. | |
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Subject: To BRL yet again
Posted on: October 23, 2008 - 4:05:53 PM
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I don't know why I bother as talking with you is a form of cognitive dissonance.
If this is how you also communicate with the folks at Palladium, then I think you've confirmed Kevin Siembieda's point.
Why are there numerous scenes [in Mospeada] SHOWING the VTOL configuration?
There are also scenes in Macross with the VF-1 landing in a VTOL configuration and the designers of the series didn't bother putting in the 4th lever on the control panel there either. Like the Sylphid, I'm sure this subject is important to you, but the producers of the television series did not bother to name this function (among all the other features of the Veritechs) in the dialog like the three main transformation modes.
I'm tired of getting crapped on as a Southern Cross fan.
I'm sure you want everyone to agree with your views, but this comes back to the issue of subjectivity: different people will always have different points of view. It's just a matter of how they are expressed. | |
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Subject: ...
Posted on: October 24, 2008 - 7:25:43 AM
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Because I couldn't hear any audio from the NASA/Langley clip, it was hard to clearly discern how the morphing was accomplished.
I don't think there was any audio for that youtube clip. Did find an a webpage at NASA that used stills from this video:
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Newsroom/X-Press/special_editions/AAW/stories/121703/aawMorph.html
Here is another article from NASA that talks about morphing aircraft, and includes a different video with audio. Between these two, I would suspect the earlier posted video was using memory materials which is how I suspect the Sylphid could pull this off. Said materials would also make sense for use in other Veritechs to help facilitate transformations in Robotech.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast01mar_1.htm
Even DARPA has been looking at the morphing aircaft concept for various applications in the military. As for durability, which I don't think is really an issue, since we are dealing with a fictional world, there maybe some Robotech equivalent of these memory materials that does demonstrate durability to the necessary levels.
I'll look into the Revell line, but from my own recollection the licensing only encompassed model kits and comics, and there's no new plans for those.
If I'm following correctly, then HG can not use those designs outside of the model line? | |
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Subject: To ShadowLogan
Posted on: October 24, 2008 - 7:37:30 PM
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Harmony Gold has not licensed the Orguss nor Dougram television series independently of Revell and we have no plans to pursue those for use in Robotech. Are there Robotech Defenders fans out there who miss this? | |
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Posted on: October 28, 2008 - 7:04:34 PM
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Well, I am partial to the idea of an english Orguss, complete, series; but I cannot say I have any particular interest in the RD line itself (other than fond nostalgic memories of building the models..)
As to the possibility of integrating Orguss into Robotech, per say, I'd have to say no. I think the story and whatnot would be an interesting additional chapter to RT, but frankly, you'd have to do it as new animation to make it really work. Orguss is cool and all, but, objectively speaking, its OA is quite dated, and not of the highest production quality (as will be seen from a current State of Art assessment), so trying to integrate it now wouldn't really work as well as it could have 20 years ago.
We can look at, say, the Macross footage, and dismiss its limited artistic production due to its history, its the best that existed at the time, and is THE way that Macross & RT actually existed, so it is a fundamental part of the RT experience. We don't complain about its limitations simply because that is what it is. I can't say the fan base would be quite so forgiving of trying to tack Orguss (or Dougram) into the line at this point using their original animation as the base.
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